{"id":11430,"date":"2025-07-29T08:45:17","date_gmt":"2025-07-29T06:45:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dc.zds.es\/podcast-becoming-cto-secrets\/"},"modified":"2026-03-25T13:39:28","modified_gmt":"2026-03-25T12:39:28","slug":"podcast-becoming-cto-secrets","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.deutscherconsulting.com\/en\/podcast-becoming-cto-secrets\/","title":{"rendered":"Becoming CTO Secrets"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-page\" data-elementor-id=\"11430\" class=\"elementor elementor-11430 elementor-9161\" data-elementor-post-type=\"page\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\" elementor-element elementor-element-630321b2 e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"630321b2\" data-element_type=\"container\">\r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\" elementor-element elementor-element-3cc851a1 e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"3cc851a1\" data-element_type=\"container\">\r\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-1629b1d0 elementor-widget elementor-widget-udesign_widget_heading\" data-id=\"1629b1d0\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"udesign_widget_heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"title-wrapper  title-cross title-center title-md-left\"><div class=\"title elementor-heading-title\">Latest Episodes<\/div><\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4f23cf56 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"4f23cf56\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h1 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Becoming CTO Secrets<\/h1>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-611be8a6 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"611be8a6\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><em>Becoming CTO Secrets<\/em>\u00a0is the ultimate podcast for aspiring CTOs, seasoned tech leaders, and entrepreneurs who want to level up their leadership and technical expertise. Hosted by Philipp Deutscher, a veteran CTO and consultant with over 15 years of experience leading global tech teams, this podcast uncovers the hidden strategies, insights, and hard-earned lessons behind becoming a successful Chief Technology Officer.<br \/><br \/>In each episode, Philipp dives deep into the essentials of CTO leadership: from operational excellence and building high-performing teams, to driving innovation, fostering culture, and navigating the challenges of scaling tech organizations. Whether you&#8217;re already a CTO or on the path to becoming one,\u00a0<em>Becoming CTO Secrets<\/em> will equip you with the tools, mindset, and inspiration to thrive in today&#8217;s fast-paced tech landscape.<\/p><p>Join us to hear candid conversations with industry leaders, practical tips you can apply immediately, and thought-provoking discussions that will help you unlock your full potential as a technology leader.<\/p><p><strong>Podcasting since 2024\u00a0<span class=\"px-2\">\u2022<\/span> 20 episodes<\/strong><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\r\n\t\t\t<\/div>\r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\" elementor-element elementor-element-d9ef7a2 e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"d9ef7a2\" data-element_type=\"container\">\r\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-3861b39 elementor-invisible elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"3861b39\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-settings=\"{&quot;_animation&quot;:&quot;fadeInDownShorter&quot;,&quot;_animation_delay&quot;:300}\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"808\" height=\"806\" src=\"https:\/\/www.deutscherconsulting.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/123.png\" class=\"attachment-full size-full wp-image-10274\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.deutscherconsulting.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/123.png 808w, https:\/\/www.deutscherconsulting.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/123-768x766.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 808px) 100vw, 808px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\r\n\t\t\t<\/div>\r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\r\n\t\t\t\t\r\n\t\t\t<\/div>\r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\" elementor-element elementor-element-2f66256 e-grid e-con-boxed e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"2f66256\" data-element_type=\"container\">\r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-30c605e elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"30c605e\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"podcast-container\">\n<div class=\"podcast-content\">\n<div class=\"podcast-title\">\ud83c\udf99\ufe0f Crypto needs clarity \u2013 Why technology does not automatically create trust \u2013 with Dennis Winter and Dennis Daiber<\/div>\n<audio preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\">\n<source src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2402174\/episodes\/17687496-krypto-braucht-klarheit-warum-technologie-nicht-automatisch-vertrauen-schafft-mit-dennis-winter-und-dennis-daiber.mp3?client_source=buzzsprout_website&amp;referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fbecomingctosecrets.buzzsprout.com%2F2402174%2Fepisodes%2F17687496-krypto-braucht-klarheit-warum-technologie-nicht-automatisch-vertrauen-schafft-mit-dennis-winter-und-dennis-daiber\" type=\"audio\/mpeg\" \/>\nDein Browser unterst\u00fctzt das Audioelement nicht.\n<\/audio>\n<div class=\"podcast-info\">August 19, 2025 \u2022 Season 1 \u2022 Episode 20 \u2022 01:25:04<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-description\">In this episode of the <strong>Becoming CTO Secrets Podcast<\/strong>, Philipp Deutscher talks to Dennis Winter (CTO &#8211; Boerse Stuttgart Digital) and Dennis Daiber (CEO &#8211; Bitwala) &#8211; two experienced technology experts with deep insight into the world of cryptocurrencies and blockchain systems.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/rails\/active_storage\/representations\/redirect\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaHBCSkRDR0FrPSIsImV4cCI6bnVsbCwicHVyIjoiYmxvYl9pZCJ9fQ==--4300cd7e5ccf6181e2ce17da4f774bbd10a34779\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaDdDVG9MWm05eWJXRjBPZ2hxY0djNkUzSmxjMmw2WlY5MGIxOW1hV3hzV3docEFsZ0NhUUpZQW5zR09nbGpjbTl3T2d0alpXNTBjbVU2Q25OaGRtVnlld1k2REhGMVlXeHBkSGxwUVRvUVkyOXNiM1Z5YzNCaFkyVkpJZ2x6Y21kaUJqb0dSVlE9IiwiZXhwIjpudWxsLCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--1924d851274c06c8fa0acdfeffb43489fc4a7fcc\/Episode%2020%20-%20Dennis%20Winter%20&amp;%20Dennis%20Daiber.png\" alt=\"Podcast Cover: Dennis Winter und Dennis Daiber\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-04e2b81 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"04e2b81\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"podcast-container\">\n<div class=\"podcast-content\">\n<div class=\"podcast-title\">\ud83c\udf99\ufe0f Digital health? 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Warum Carve-outs mehr Mut als Budget brauchen &#8211; mit Sebastian M\u00fcller<\/div>\n<audio preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\">\n<source src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2402174\/episodes\/17508489-innovation-ohne-schutzraum-warum-carve-outs-mehr-mut-als-budget-brauchen-mit-sebastian-muller.mp3?client_source=buzzsprout_website&amp;referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fbecomingctosecrets.buzzsprout.com%2F2402174%2Fepisodes%2F17508489-innovation-ohne-schutzraum-warum-carve-outs-mehr-mut-als-budget-brauchen-mit-sebastian-muller%3Ft%3D0#t=0\" type=\"audio\/mpeg\" \/>\nDein Browser unterst\u00fctzt das Audioelement nicht.\n<\/audio>\n<div class=\"podcast-info\">July 22, 2025 \u2022 Season 1 \u2022 Episode 18 \u2022 58:57<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-description\">In dieser Episode des <strong>Becoming CTO Secrets Podcasts<\/strong> spricht Philipp Deutscher mit Sebastian M\u00fcller, Physiker, CTO und Corporate Venture Builder bei Rosenxt. 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class=\"podcast-content\">\n<div class=\"podcast-title\">\ud83c\udf99\ufe0f Inside instead of outside hire \u2013 What real career paths in tech really need \u2013 with Nikolai Gulatz<\/div>\n<audio preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\">\n<source src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2402174\/episodes\/17311487-inside-statt-outside-hire-was-echte-karrierewege-im-tech-wirklich-brauchen-mit-nikolai-gulatz.mp3?client_source=buzzsprout_website&amp;referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fbecomingctosecrets.buzzsprout.com%2F2402174%2Fepisodes%2F17311487-inside-statt-outside-hire-was-echte-karrierewege-im-tech-wirklich-brauchen-mit-nikolai-gulatz%3Ft%3D0#t=0\" type=\"audio\/mpeg\" \/>\nDein Browser unterst\u00fctzt das Audioelement nicht.\n<\/audio>\n<div class=\"podcast-info\">June 10, 2025 \u2022 Season 1 \u2022 Episode 15 \u2022 1:28:01<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-description\">In this episode of the Becoming CTO Secrets podcast, Philipp Deutscher talks to Nikolai Gulatz, CTO and co-CEO of Instaffo\u2014a platform that radically simplifies the recruitment process for tech talent.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/rails\/active_storage\/representations\/redirect\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaHBCR0lHM3dnPSIsImV4cCI6bnVsbCwicHVyIjoiYmxvYl9pZCJ9fQ==--32ceedc65ff89cda854fafd6c81ed82e6486a52e\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaDdDVG9MWm05eWJXRjBPZ2hxY0djNkUzSmxjMmw2WlY5MGIxOW1hV3hzV3docEFmcHBBZnA3QmpvSlkzSnZjRG9MWTJWdWRISmxPZ3B6WVhabGNuc0dPZ3h4ZFdGc2FYUjVhVUU2RUdOdmJHOTFjbk53WVdObFNTSUpjM0puWWdZNkJrVlUiLCJleHAiOm51bGwsInB1ciI6InZhcmlhdGlvbiJ9fQ==--bfdad5b04912fa8a9db85eb3989e46c5908e2723\/Episode%2015%20-%20Nikolai%20Gulatz.png\" alt=\"Podcast Cover: Sebastian M\u00fcller\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-9cb44b4 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"9cb44b4\" data-element_type=\"widget\" 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class=\"podcast-description\">In this episode of the Becoming CTO Secrets podcast, Philipp Deutscher talks to Mirko Novakovic, serial tech entrepreneur, founder of Codecentric and Instana, and current CEO of Dash0\u2014an observability platform based on OpenTelemetry.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/rails\/active_storage\/representations\/redirect\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaHBCSTgyekFnPSIsImV4cCI6bnVsbCwicHVyIjoiYmxvYl9pZCJ9fQ==--877bbda33876c094bf4e583cbd39bab84d6b7b98\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaDdDVG9MWm05eWJXRjBPZ2hxY0djNkUzSmxjMmw2WlY5MGIxOW1hV3hzV3docEFmcHBBZnA3QmpvSlkzSnZjRG9MWTJWdWRISmxPZ3B6WVhabGNuc0dPZ3h4ZFdGc2FYUjVhVUU2RUdOdmJHOTFjbk53WVdObFNTSUpjM0puWWdZNkJrVlUiLCJleHAiOm51bGwsInB1ciI6InZhcmlhdGlvbiJ9fQ==--bfdad5b04912fa8a9db85eb3989e46c5908e2723\/Episode%2014%20-%20Mirko%20Novakovic.png\" alt=\"Podcast Cover: Sebastian M\u00fcller\" 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\/>\nDein Browser unterst\u00fctzt das Audioelement nicht.\n<\/audio>\n<div class=\"podcast-info\">May 08, 2025 \u2022 Season 1 \u2022 Episode 13 \u2022 1:06:21<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-description\">The white paper \u201cDeveloper Today, CTO Tomorrow\u201d can be found here. In this episode of the Becoming CTO Secrets podcast, Philipp Deutscher talks to Michael Reimann, founder and CTO of starmate.io.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/rails\/active_storage\/representations\/redirect\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaHBCTFp0dkFnPSIsImV4cCI6bnVsbCwicHVyIjoiYmxvYl9pZCJ9fQ==--0500e06f692e495d9d18971f519b432c59728c4e\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaDdDVG9MWm05eWJXRjBPZ2hxY0djNkUzSmxjMmw2WlY5MGIxOW1hV3hzV3docEFmcHBBZnA3QmpvSlkzSnZjRG9MWTJWdWRISmxPZ3B6WVhabGNuc0dPZ3h4ZFdGc2FYUjVhVUU2RUdOdmJHOTFjbk53WVdObFNTSUpjM0puWWdZNkJrVlUiLCJleHAiOm51bGwsInB1ciI6InZhcmlhdGlvbiJ9fQ==--bfdad5b04912fa8a9db85eb3989e46c5908e2723\/Episode%2013%20-%20Michael%20Reimann.png\" alt=\"Podcast Cover: Sebastian M\u00fcller\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-0e431f9 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"0e431f9\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"podcast-container\">\n<div class=\"podcast-content\">\n<div class=\"podcast-title\">\ud83c\udf99\ufe0f From astrophysicist to deep tech CTO: Sven K\u00f6ppel on analog computing and leadership<\/div>\n<audio preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\">\n<source src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2402174\/episodes\/17041716-vom-astrophysiker-zum-deep-tech-cto-sven-koppel-uber-analog-computing-und-leadership.mp3?client_source=buzzsprout_website&amp;referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fbecomingctosecrets.buzzsprout.com%2F2402174%2Fepisodes%2F17041716-vom-astrophysiker-zum-deep-tech-cto-sven-koppel-uber-analog-computing-und-leadership%3Ft%3D0#t=0\" type=\"audio\/mpeg\" \/>\nDein Browser unterst\u00fctzt das Audioelement nicht.\n<\/audio>\n<div class=\"podcast-info\">April 25, 2025 \u2022 Season 1 \u2022 Episode 12 \u2022 1:28:36<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-description\">In this episode of the Becoming CTO Secrets podcast, Philipp Deutscher talks to Sven K\u00f6ppel, a former astrophysicist and now CTO of a deep tech startup specializing in analog computers.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/rails\/active_storage\/representations\/redirect\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaHBCREgrcmdnPSIsImV4cCI6bnVsbCwicHVyIjoiYmxvYl9pZCJ9fQ==--adf0f86e114afa2fcef2bce70a78df7899527ffd\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaDdDVG9MWm05eWJXRjBPZ2hxY0djNkUzSmxjMmw2WlY5MGIxOW1hV3hzV3docEFmcHBBZnA3QmpvSlkzSnZjRG9MWTJWdWRISmxPZ3B6WVhabGNuc0dPZ3h4ZFdGc2FYUjVhVUU2RUdOdmJHOTFjbk53WVdObFNTSUpjM0puWWdZNkJrVlUiLCJleHAiOm51bGwsInB1ciI6InZhcmlhdGlvbiJ9fQ==--bfdad5b04912fa8a9db85eb3989e46c5908e2723\/canva-design.jpeg\" alt=\"Podcast Cover: Sebastian M\u00fcller\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-299f150 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"299f150\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"podcast-container\">\n<div class=\"podcast-content\">\n<div class=\"podcast-title\">\ud83c\udf99\ufe0f Building bridges \u2013 the real job of a CTO \u2013 with Oliver Perle<\/div>\n<audio preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\">\n<source src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2402174\/episodes\/16938715-brucken-bauen-der-wahre-job-eines-cto-mit-oliver-perle.mp3?client_source=buzzsprout_website&amp;referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fbecomingctosecrets.buzzsprout.com%2F2402174%2Fepisodes%2F16938715-brucken-bauen-der-wahre-job-eines-cto-mit-oliver-perle%3Ft%3D0#t=0\" type=\"audio\/mpeg\" \/>\nDein Browser unterst\u00fctzt das Audioelement nicht.\n<\/audio>\n<div class=\"podcast-info\">April 08, 2025 \u2022 Season 1 \u2022 Episode 11 \u2022 1:14:41<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-description\">In this episode of the Becoming CTO Secrets podcast, Philipp Deutscher talks to Oliver Perle, CTO of digital agency Orange Hive. Oliver shares his career path, which was not straightforward, and discusses the importance of studying and training.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/rails\/active_storage\/representations\/redirect\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaHBCSENJbmdnPSIsImV4cCI6bnVsbCwicHVyIjoiYmxvYl9pZCJ9fQ==--39f6568eab0b11853e032f0db70ec725d02dbf72\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaDdDVG9MWm05eWJXRjBPZ2hxY0djNkUzSmxjMmw2WlY5MGIxOW1hV3hzV3docEFmcHBBZnA3QmpvSlkzSnZjRG9MWTJWdWRISmxPZ3B6WVhabGNuc0dPZ3h4ZFdGc2FYUjVhVUU2RUdOdmJHOTFjbk53WVdObFNTSUpjM0puWWdZNkJrVlUiLCJleHAiOm51bGwsInB1ciI6InZhcmlhdGlvbiJ9fQ==--bfdad5b04912fa8a9db85eb3989e46c5908e2723\/Episode%2011%20-%20Oliver%20Perle%20(2).png\" alt=\"Podcast Cover: Sebastian M\u00fcller\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-a4a7069 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"a4a7069\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"podcast-container\">\n<div class=\"podcast-content\">\n<div class=\"podcast-title\">\ud83c\udf99\ufe0f Upvest CTO \u00fcber die Skalierung von Tech-Teams und die Beherrschung der Unternehmenskultur<\/div>\n<audio preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\">\n<source src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2402174\/episodes\/16829836-upvest-cto-about-scaling-tech-teams-and-mastering-organizational-culture.mp3?client_source=buzzsprout_website&amp;referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fbecomingctosecrets.buzzsprout.com%2F2402174%2Fepisodes%2F16829836-upvest-cto-about-scaling-tech-teams-and-mastering-organizational-culture%3Ft%3D0#t=0\" type=\"audio\/mpeg\" \/>\nDein Browser unterst\u00fctzt das Audioelement nicht.\n<\/audio>\n<div class=\"podcast-info\">March 20, 2025 \u2022 Season 1 \u2022 Episode 10 \u2022 1:04:25<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-description\">In this episode, Philipp Deutscher speaks with Juha Ristolainen, CTO of Upvest, about building scalable tech teams, nurturing a dynamic organizational culture, and embracing transparent leadership.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/rails\/active_storage\/representations\/redirect\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaHBCRk0zaXdnPSIsImV4cCI6bnVsbCwicHVyIjoiYmxvYl9pZCJ9fQ==--7bcb4886ccbb43fe382e6a181cfb546b7ca189d2\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaDdDVG9MWm05eWJXRjBPZ2hxY0djNkUzSmxjMmw2WlY5MGIxOW1hV3hzV3docEFmcHBBZnA3QmpvSlkzSnZjRG9MWTJWdWRISmxPZ3B6WVhabGNuc0dPZ3h4ZFdGc2FYUjVhVUU2RUdOdmJHOTFjbk53WVdObFNTSUpjM0puWWdZNkJrVlUiLCJleHAiOm51bGwsInB1ciI6InZhcmlhdGlvbiJ9fQ==--bfdad5b04912fa8a9db85eb3989e46c5908e2723\/Episode%2010%20-%20Juha%20Ristolainen.png\" alt=\"Podcast Cover: Sebastian M\u00fcller\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-16b2eb1 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"16b2eb1\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"podcast-container\">\n<div class=\"podcast-content\">\n<div class=\"podcast-title\">\ud83c\udf99\ufe0f From CTO to tech investor: Dr. Mike Eissele on 15 years at TeamViewer, leadership, and the future of AI<\/div>\n<audio preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\">\n<source src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2402174\/episodes\/16668469-vom-cto-zum-tech-investor-dr-mike-eissele-uber-15-jahre-teamviewer-leadership-ai-zukunft.mp3?client_source=buzzsprout_website&amp;referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fbecomingctosecrets.buzzsprout.com%2F2402174%2Fepisodes%2F16668469-vom-cto-zum-tech-investor-dr-mike-eissele-uber-15-jahre-teamviewer-leadership-ai-zukunft%3Ft%3D0#t=0\" type=\"audio\/mpeg\" \/>\nDein Browser unterst\u00fctzt das Audioelement nicht.\n<\/audio>\n<div class=\"podcast-info\">February 28, 2025 \u2022 Season 1 \u2022 Episode 9 \u2022 1:26:27<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-description\">In this episode of Becoming CTO Secrets, I have a very special guest: Dr. Mike Eissele, the former CTO of TeamViewer. For over 15 years, he played a key role in the technical development and scaling of TeamViewer&#8230;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/rails\/active_storage\/representations\/redirect\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaHBCRzBWY1FnPSIsImV4cCI6bnVsbCwicHVyIjoiYmxvYl9pZCJ9fQ==--b258a984d82da49c24a5fca85dc2808195df8723\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaDdDVG9MWm05eWJXRjBPZ2hxY0djNkUzSmxjMmw2WlY5MGIxOW1hV3hzV3docEFmcHBBZnA3QmpvSlkzSnZjRG9MWTJWdWRISmxPZ3B6WVhabGNuc0dPZ3h4ZFdGc2FYUjVhVUU2RUdOdmJHOTFjbk53WVdObFNTSUpjM0puWWdZNkJrVlUiLCJleHAiOm51bGwsInB1ciI6InZhcmlhdGlvbiJ9fQ==--bfdad5b04912fa8a9db85eb3989e46c5908e2723\/Episode%209%20-%20Dr.%20Mike%20Eissele.png\" alt=\"Podcast Cover: Sebastian M\u00fcller\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-228096c elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"228096c\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"podcast-container\">\n<div class=\"podcast-content\">\n<div class=\"podcast-title\">\ud83c\udf99\ufe0f No-code &#038; citizen developers: The future of product development?<\/div>\n<audio preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\">\n<source src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2402174\/episodes\/16601584-no-code-citizen-developers-die-zukunft-der-produktentwicklung.mp3?client_source=buzzsprout_website&amp;referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fbecomingctosecrets.buzzsprout.com%2F2402174%2Fepisodes%2F16601584-no-code-citizen-developers-die-zukunft-der-produktentwicklung%3Ft%3D0#t=0\" type=\"audio\/mpeg\" \/>\nDein Browser unterst\u00fctzt das Audioelement nicht.\n<\/audio>\n<div class=\"podcast-info\">February 11, 2025 \u2022 Season 1 \u2022 Episode 8 \u2022 1:07:54<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-description\">No-code tools such as Bubble are changing the way products are built \u2013 but where are the opportunities, and where are the limitations? In this episode of Becoming CTO Secrets, Philipp Deutscher and Hendrik Hemken talk about how no-code&#8230;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/rails\/active_storage\/representations\/redirect\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaHBCTkp4WmdnPSIsImV4cCI6bnVsbCwicHVyIjoiYmxvYl9pZCJ9fQ==--6200b0d7d01dd2cc67727a304f1a6bfaa6cb2b4e\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaDdDVG9MWm05eWJXRjBPZ2hxY0djNkUzSmxjMmw2WlY5MGIxOW1hV3hzV3docEFmcHBBZnA3QmpvSlkzSnZjRG9MWTJWdWRISmxPZ3B6WVhabGNuc0dPZ3h4ZFdGc2FYUjVhVUU2RUdOdmJHOTFjbk53WVdObFNTSUpjM0puWWdZNkJrVlUiLCJleHAiOm51bGwsInB1ciI6InZhcmlhdGlvbiJ9fQ==--bfdad5b04912fa8a9db85eb3989e46c5908e2723\/Episode%208%20-%20Hendrik%20Hemken.png\" alt=\"Podcast Cover: Sebastian M\u00fcller\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-5224ec0 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"5224ec0\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"podcast-container\">\n<div class=\"podcast-content\">\n<div class=\"podcast-title\">\ud83c\udf99\ufe0f  The BISON App CTO on fintech, cloud migration, and navigating regulation<\/div>\n<audio preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\">\n<source src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2402174\/episodes\/16441676-der-bison-app-cto-uber-fintech-cloud-migration-und-den-weg-durch-regulierung.mp3?client_source=buzzsprout_website&amp;referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fbecomingctosecrets.buzzsprout.com%2F2402174%2Fepisodes%2F16441676-der-bison-app-cto-uber-fintech-cloud-migration-und-den-weg-durch-regulierung%3Ft%3D0#t=0\" type=\"audio\/mpeg\" \/>\nDein Browser unterst\u00fctzt das Audioelement nicht.\n<\/audio>\n<div class=\"podcast-info\">January 27, 2025 \u2022 Season 1 \u2022 Episode 7 \u2022 48:33<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-description\">In this interview, Dennis Winter shares his experiences as CTO of the Bison App. He talks about his professional career, the transition from a technical role to a management position, and the challenges associated with team leadership and proactive&#8230;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/rails\/active_storage\/representations\/redirect\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaHBCR0NLUndnPSIsImV4cCI6bnVsbCwicHVyIjoiYmxvYl9pZCJ9fQ==--6d8fb01b8edff4915cfadd78f0e1f0dd1472e6bb\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaDdDVG9MWm05eWJXRjBPZ2hxY0djNkUzSmxjMmw2WlY5MGIxOW1hV3hzV3docEFmcHBBZnA3QmpvSlkzSnZjRG9MWTJWdWRISmxPZ3B6WVhabGNuc0dPZ3h4ZFdGc2FYUjVhVUU2RUdOdmJHOTFjbk53WVdObFNTSUpjM0puWWdZNkJrVlUiLCJleHAiOm51bGwsInB1ciI6InZhcmlhdGlvbiJ9fQ==--bfdad5b04912fa8a9db85eb3989e46c5908e2723\/Episode%207%20-%20Dennis%20Winter.png\" alt=\"Podcast Cover: Sebastian M\u00fcller\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div 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class=\"podcast-info\">January 06, 2025 \u2022 Season 1 \u2022 Episode 6 \u2022 1:06:30<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-description\">In this episode, Philipp Deutscher talks to Alexander van der Steeg, CTO of Entek Systems, about his career in the IT industry, the challenges and changes in software development, and the role of the CTO in today&#8217;s&#8230;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/rails\/active_storage\/representations\/redirect\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaHBCR3dZT2dnPSIsImV4cCI6bnVsbCwicHVyIjoiYmxvYl9pZCJ9fQ==--be11ef4ccce35337121a19d0bc6f266ec28e6864\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaDdDVG9MWm05eWJXRjBPZ2hxY0djNkUzSmxjMmw2WlY5MGIxOW1hV3hzV3docEFmcHBBZnA3QmpvSlkzSnZjRG9MWTJWdWRISmxPZ3B6WVhabGNuc0dPZ3h4ZFdGc2FYUjVhVUU2RUdOdmJHOTFjbk53WVdObFNTSUpjM0puWWdZNkJrVlUiLCJleHAiOm51bGwsInB1ciI6InZhcmlhdGlvbiJ9fQ==--bfdad5b04912fa8a9db85eb3989e46c5908e2723\/Episode%206%20-%20Alexander%20van%20der%20Steeg.png\" alt=\"Podcast Cover: Sebastian M\u00fcller\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-266e867 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"266e867\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"podcast-container\">\n<div class=\"podcast-content\">\n<div class=\"podcast-title\">\ud83c\udf99\ufe0f The CTO&#8217;s balancing act: Konstantin Norin on passion, technical excellence, and the difficulty of letting go<\/div>\n<audio preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\">\n<source 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class=\"podcast-content\">\n<div class=\"podcast-title\">\ud83c\udf99\ufe0f The Unconventional CTO: A Journey from Developer to Founder and CTO with Harold Th\u00e9tiot<\/div>\n<audio preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\">\n<source src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2402174\/episodes\/16111386-the-unconventional-cto-a-journey-from-developer-to-founder-and-cto-with-harold-thetiot.mp3?client_source=buzzsprout_website&amp;referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fbecomingctosecrets.buzzsprout.com%2F2402174%2Fepisodes%2F16111386-the-unconventional-cto-a-journey-from-developer-to-founder-and-cto-with-harold-thetiot%3Ft%3D0#t=0\" type=\"audio\/mpeg\" \/>\nDein Browser unterst\u00fctzt das Audioelement nicht.\n<\/audio>\n<div class=\"podcast-info\">November 16, 2025 \u2022 Season 1 \u2022 Episode 4 \u2022 44:03<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-description\">In this episode of the Becoming CTO Secrets podcast, Philipp Deutscher interviews Harold Th\u00e9tiot, the CTO and founder of Sylaps, a video conferencing tool.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/rails\/active_storage\/representations\/redirect\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaHBCQWd1Q2dnPSIsImV4cCI6bnVsbCwicHVyIjoiYmxvYl9pZCJ9fQ==--5ed982d2e04235f1b70130d5963598620c24d1b4\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaDdDVG9MWm05eWJXRjBPZ2hxY0djNkUzSmxjMmw2WlY5MGIxOW1hV3hzV3docEFmcHBBZnA3QmpvSlkzSnZjRG9MWTJWdWRISmxPZ3B6WVhabGNuc0dPZ3h4ZFdGc2FYUjVhVUU2RUdOdmJHOTFjbk53WVdObFNTSUpjM0puWWdZNkJrVlUiLCJleHAiOm51bGwsInB1ciI6InZhcmlhdGlvbiJ9fQ==--bfdad5b04912fa8a9db85eb3989e46c5908e2723\/Episode%204%20-%20Harold%20The%CC%81tiot.png\" alt=\"Podcast Cover: Sebastian M\u00fcller\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-6644070 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"6644070\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div 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class=\"podcast-description\">In this episode of the Becoming CTO Secrets podcast, Philipp Deutscher talks to Jan Gr\u00f6nefeld, Chief Product Officer at Rote Robben.<\/div><\/div><div class=\"podcast-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/rails\/active_storage\/representations\/redirect\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaHBCRit5K2djPSIsImV4cCI6bnVsbCwicHVyIjoiYmxvYl9pZCJ9fQ==--e042d12acaa9bba815834b1a862bdced9886121f\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaDdDVG9MWm05eWJXRjBPZ2hxY0djNkUzSmxjMmw2WlY5MGIxOW1hV3hzV3docEFmcHBBZnA3QmpvSlkzSnZjRG9MWTJWdWRISmxPZ3B6WVhabGNuc0dPZ3h4ZFdGc2FYUjVhVUU2RUdOdmJHOTFjbk53WVdObFNTSUpjM0puWWdZNkJrVlUiLCJleHAiOm51bGwsInB1ciI6InZhcmlhdGlvbiJ9fQ==--bfdad5b04912fa8a9db85eb3989e46c5908e2723\/Episode%203%20-%20Jan%20Groenefeld.png\" alt=\"Podcast Cover: Sebastian M\u00fcller\" \/><\/div><\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-0d62cbc elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"0d62cbc\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"podcast-container\"><div class=\"podcast-content\"><div class=\"podcast-title\">\ud83c\udf99\ufe0f In this episode, Stanislav Synko shares his remarkable journey from a coding enthusiast in Ukraine to the CEO and co-founder of LF1 in the United States.<\/div><p><audio preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\"><br \/>\n<source src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2402174\/episodes\/15806533-from-coder-to-ceo-mastering-the-cto-mindset-insights-on-leadership-ai-and-the-future-of-tech.mp3?client_source=buzzsprout_website&amp;referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fbecomingctosecrets.buzzsprout.com%2F2402174%2Fepisodes%2F15806533-from-coder-to-ceo-mastering-the-cto-mindset-insights-on-leadership-ai-and-the-future-of-tech%3Ft%3D0#t=0\" type=\"audio\/mpeg\" \/><br \/>\nDein Browser unterst\u00fctzt das Audioelement nicht.<br \/><\/audio><\/p><div class=\"podcast-info\">September 27, 2025 \u2022 Season 1 \u2022 Episode 2 \u2022 53:36<\/div><div class=\"podcast-description\">keywordsCTO, technology leadership, startup innovation, AI, mentorship, coding, entrepreneurship, tech strategy, team dynamics, career transitionsummaryIn this episode, Stanislav Synko shares h&#8230;<\/div><\/div><div class=\"podcast-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/rails\/active_storage\/representations\/redirect\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaHBCS1RjMWdjPSIsImV4cCI6bnVsbCwicHVyIjoiYmxvYl9pZCJ9fQ==--62085f3bb572c80b9d7bd55a867f9363661d75cd\/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaDdDVG9MWm05eWJXRjBPZ2hxY0djNkUzSmxjMmw2WlY5MGIxOW1hV3hzV3docEFmcHBBZnA3QmpvSlkzSnZjRG9MWTJWdWRISmxPZ3B6WVhabGNuc0dPZ3h4ZFdGc2FYUjVhVUU2RUdOdmJHOTFjbk53WVdObFNTSUpjM0puWWdZNkJrVlUiLCJleHAiOm51bGwsInB1ciI6InZhcmlhdGlvbiJ9fQ==--bfdad5b04912fa8a9db85eb3989e46c5908e2723\/Episode%202%20-%20Stanislav%20Synko%20(1).png\" alt=\"Podcast Cover: Sebastian M\u00fcller\" \/><\/div><\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-7a6494d elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"7a6494d\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"podcast-container\">\n<div 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